[John Gilbert]
... I asked [Martin] Harris once if he had really seen the plates with his naked eyes?--his reply was, No, but with spiritual eyes. ...
[John H. Gilbert to James T. Cobb, 16 March 1879, Theodore A. Schroeder Papers, Rare Books and Manuscripts Division, New York Public Library, New York, New York., as cited in Dan Vogel, Early Mormon Documents: John H. Gilbert To James T. Cobb]
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